SHOCKING!

Thank you, DeKalb Parent, for taking the time to put together this spreadsheet comparing DeKalb County School System CRCT scores for 2011-2012 with other metro systems! DeKalb Parent took the time to go through the unabridged information in the AJC and boil it all down to this:   in terms of students who fail the CRCT, how does DeKalb County School System compare?

We know what it will take to improve:  more teachers, not fewer!  Direct teacher-to-student instruction in the classroom, requiring more teachers, not fewer!  Every year that is lost makes it that much harder to get back on track.  The information below is also available in DSW Archives.

Oh, how the mighty has fallen!  See for yourself …

Metro CRCT Scores Comparison 2011-2012

School Systems Grade Level Reading
%
Failed
Language Arts
%
Failed
Math % Failed Science % Failed Social Studies %
Failed
DeKalb 3 16.1 18.3 29.8 34.9 28.3
DeKalb 4 16.9 16.8 31 31.6 34.9
DeKalb 5 15.5 12.1 25.6 37.4 37.6
DeKalb 6 7.4 13.8 25.8 40.4 38.6
DeKalb 7 13.1 14.1 18 29.8 38.3
DeKalb 8 9.4 10.1 33.6 43.3 39.8
Fulton 3 7.6 7.5 16.5 18.9 16.1
Fulton 4 7.7 6.9 17.3 15.9 19.8
Fulton 5 6.8 4.3 12.7 18.9 22
Fulton 6 3.2 6.6 18.4 24.2 23.1
Fulton 7 4.2 4.8 9.2 11.8 17.9
Fulton 8 3 3.5 19.9 23.2 18.8
Decatur 3 3 2.6 7.2 9 5.3
Decatur 4 2.7 3.4 10 7.5 10.6
Decatur 5 4.1 2.5 10.4 9.3 7.7
Decatur 6 0.9 4.3 14.8 12.4 16.2
Decatur 7 2.2 2.2 7 8.6 11.6
Decatur 8 0 3.3 7.5 9.6 8.8
Marietta 3 10.5 9.7 14.6 21.5 20.5
Marietta 4 9.3 7.6 22.2 15.7 20.8
Marietta 5 6.2 4.3 19.2 18.9 27.2
Marietta 6 2.8 5.7 12.1 16.4 18.5
Marietta 7 7 6.3 6.2 20.7 20.7
Marietta 8 4.5 5.4 27.5 31.6 22.2
Rockdale 3 6.7 5.9 12.4 16.4 12.1
Rockdale 4 7.6 6.9 15.6 12.6 17.7
Rockdale 5 5 2.5 11.9 16.5 20.3
Rockdale 6 1.7 5 16.2 25.1 19.6
Rockdale 7 3.7 2 4.9 11 13.4
Rockdale 8 1.8 2.1 19.9 21 12.4
Atlanta 3 16.2 16.5 32.3 35.1 28.9
Atlanta 4 16.7 14.9 33.3 30.2 32.9
Atlanta 5 14.9 10.2 28.7 33.2 36.4
Atlanta 6 7.8 11.7 34.8 44.7 43.9
Atlanta 7 9.8 9 17.9 24.8 39
Atlanta 8 7.9 7.1 40.7 46.2 41.3
Cobb 3 7.2 7.6 15.8 18.8 16.6
Cobb 4 6.3 6.4 15 14.8 17.9
Cobb 5 5.6 4.4 9.1 17.9 19.4
Cobb 6 2.2 5.6 14.4 20 20.3
Cobb 7 4.9 5.7 7.3 13.4 17.4
Cobb 8 2.1 2.9 16.5 20.7 17.1
Gwinnett 3 6.1 5.6 12.3 13.8 11.3
Gwinnett 4 4.6 3.4 10.3 9.1 9.1
Gwinnett 5 4.2 2.4 8.3 12.5 13.4
Gwinnett 6 2.8 5.1 12.7 15.9 16.1
Gwinnett 7 2.9 2.8 3.6 6.3 8
Gwinnett 8 2.3 2.7 14.6 15.2 13.7
Forsyth 3 1.8 2 5.5 7.7 6
Forsyth 4 1.5 1.8 4.9 6 6.1
Forsyth 5 1.4 0.8 2.7 8 8
Forsyth 6 0.7 1.4 4 7.3 6.1
Forsyth 7 0.5 1.2 0.9 3.2 3.9
Forsyth 8 0.7 1 4.7 8.4 6.6
Clayton 3 17.7 18 32 36 31.8
Clayton 4 17.4 16 30.5 28.6 35.5
Clayton 5 14.3 9 25.7 29.4 34.9
Clayton 6 7.7 13.4 30.8 41.7 44.6
Clayton 7 8.7 8.8 12.9 20.6 33.8
Clayton 8 6.3 6.8 35 35.3 30.4
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33 Responses to SHOCKING!

  1. justwatch says:

    Only 10 systems in GA had a lower pass rate than DeKalb did in 8th grade reading. And these were all poor, rural systems. In some grades, in some subjects, DeKalb showed a slight improvement in the pass rate. However, with the exception of Atlanta, almost all the other systems in the state did as well, so they ranking of the system didn’t improve as compared year to year.

    (As an aside, it is interesting to see the dramatic change in Atlanta’s elementary grade scores, since the cheating was discovered.)

  2. no name says:

    Here’s a hint: Post the results for each individual DCS school…. then compare how the results at each individual school compare to both the state and district average. Group the schools by Area and the high schools they feed into.

    My understanding is that the pass rates (and other performance measures) are stunningly low at certain individual schools and certain clusters in the district.

  3. dekalbite2 says:

    Interesting that Marietta and Rockdale are demographically comparable school systems yet they manage to do so much better than DeKalb. Rockdale is 100% Title 1 low income schools and Marietta is almost a mirror image of DeKalb demographically except a little poorer. Sam King, former superintendent of Rockdale (he just left to oversee the Norfolk, VA system), and Emily Lembeck, superintendent of Marietta City Schools, were the Georgia Superintendents of the Year respectively in 2011 and 2012. They were both cited for their high student achievement rate in low income school systems.

    Sam King was a candidate for DeKalb Superintendent but was cut early on from the process even as he has a stellar track record in moving students forward in a low income system. Rockdale and Marietta have been models for fiscal and educational responsibility and accountability under these superintendents.

    Leadership matters. Don’t let the BOE tell you it doesn’t. Look at the expenditures on non teaching personnel in both of these systems and the accountability for managerial personnel and you will see that these low income systems with successful students are very different from DeKalb.

  4. dekalbite2 says:

    Look at the science scores for DCSS. I guess if you fund the regular education science classes with 50 cents a student per year for equipment and supplies and pack the students 35 to 40 in a class, you get this low achievement. Hard to believe our students will be entering a work world that will be dominated by STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Math).

  5. This is absolutely true. Years ago, we did this kind of aggregation at our middle school. The ‘average’ score was in the 70s. But we broke that down further by grouping students home elementary schools and found that most groups either scored in the 90s or in the 40s and 50s – giving the ‘illusion’ that the school performed in the 70s as a group. In reality, hardly anyone scored in the 70s – so the ‘average’ was very misleading as far as how well the students were really learning.

  6. SRO says:

    This is what happens when you cut teachers and paras and pack kids in a classroom like sardines. The DCSS budget explains all that people need to know about what DeKalb real priorities are. The kids don’t even make the top five.

  7. justwatch says:

    In a lot of ways it is “our” fault that KIng didn’t get the job. We consistently said no one with DeKalb ties, and King has them. He began his career in DeKalb plus maybe goes to church in the county.
    The message that was sent to the headhunters was we want an outsider. King wouldn’t have been considered one.

  8. Matt says:

    Our students will actually be entering a work world dominated by the post-industrial economy, one where most new jobs are in the lower paying service industry. Sad. Very few will actually have jobs involving any of the STEM subjects. DON’T get me wrong – I do not like the direction our economy is taking and I personally believe that we should be pushing the STEM subjects more (better funding, lower student-teacher ratios and more academic time). But, this would lead to an entirely different conversation wouldn’t it? A conversation on political policies and the ramifications of our current tax structure and open market which encourage and financially reward out-sourcing of manufacturing and design.

    I do think that you are correct when you say that lower funding and higher-student teacher ratios are contributing factors to lower scores (i.e., lower achievement rates).

  9. Terry says:

    DCSS has an “outsider” for superintendent now??? ARE you sure? Sure she comes from Loraine, but what about family connections…. has that ever been investigated?

  10. Terry says:

    Absolutely! Two schools only a couple of miles apart with HUGE outcomes on the CRCT. One a theme school, the other a “regular ed” school. The theme school blasted all schools around it because of three things. The principal is VERY involved with student achievement. The staff is motivated and responsive to student achievement. The PARENTS are involved with their children’s success.

  11. murphey says:

    “The EOCT gains, coupled with the CRCT results, show that our students are making strides across all grade levels,”” said Dr. Atkinson. “”While we are happy to see these results, we know we still have room to grow, and in the upcoming year we’ll challenge our students and our staff to achieve more. The CRCT proficiency rates are some of the the best our district has seen in five years, and we plan to build on that momentum.””

    Copied from the Press Release dated 7/9/12 on DCSD’s home page. The main focus of the press release is EOCT scores but the last sentence about CRCT scores is also shocking. I’ll have to go back and check to see if the CRCT proficiency rates are really “some of the best our district has seen in five years.”

    I feel sorry for the high school teachers who receive 8th grade students who have such a high failure rate on CRCTs. These teachers are expected to transform these students into high school graduates in four short years.

  12. Tit For Tat says:

    I wonder how much $ the other metro districts spend on legal…just saying. This money could have and should have (through the years) been spent on hiring teachers to reduce class size….but why are we spending exorbitant money?…our pitiful leadership.

  13. justwatch says:

    The scores are up, but they are up everywhere. The scoring of the CRCT remains one shrowded in mystery — ie cut scores, etc and it isn’t easy to figure out. That is why I am such a big fan of comparing us to other systems (similar) and where we ranked one year to the next.
    As to the 8th grade failure rate, it was only 10 percent of so, but only 9 counties had a higher failure rate. The CRCT isn’t really measuring much anymore.

  14. justwatch says:

    I really don’t think she had any connection to DeKalb. She has gotten rid of lots of the connected folks (some Guillorys gone, others demoted, for example).
    In fact, I am certain she is sorry she took this job. I believe that Dr. Walker, in particular, assured her that our finances were on the way up and that most of what she was reading about DeKalb on the internet was false. Of course, they hired her because they believed they could control her, and guess what, they can’t.

  15. Matt says:

    Yes, and I feel sorry for the college professors that have to deal with our high school “graduates” and I feel sorry for the middle school teachers that deal with the incoming fifth graders that have such a low CRCT pass rate and for the early education teachers that are expected to transform those kids who haven’t yet learned their colors or their ABC’s.

    Oh wait – it’s actually the kids I feel sorry for.

  16. DekalbELMom says:

    Well, I have been researching Home School all week. Looks like I’m going for it! I wonder how many others will follow who can? I feel like Dekalb and Public Schools are a sinking ship…time to jump into a lifeboat. I heard a man say “get your kids out of public school if you have to eat beans to do it”…

  17. Dekalbite2 says:

    I agree. Dr. Atkinson has gotten rid of many Friends and Family members. It is up to us – the voters – to elect a Board that will support her efforts to reform DeKalb Schools.

  18. Dekalbite2 says:

    Globally the high paying jobs are skilled workers and STEM often combining both components. It is a global job market which we are already in so even now US workers are not just competing on a national level.

  19. Dekalbite2 says:

    The process of measurement is based on the rate of achievement on the CRCT. We are still the lowest scoring metro system and our rate of achievement shows we are not catching up with the other metro systems.

    DeKalb students will eventually compete with other graduates from other school systems for college slots and employment. If their mastery of content (can you add, subtract, divide, multiply, understand written directions, compose a fluent sentence, etc.) is greater than our students, then jobs will be landed accordingly. The DeKalb Board of Education seems to have lost it’s focus on preparing students to get into an institute of higher learning or getting a job. They don’t seem to understand that this is the purpose of school. Mastery of content in math, science, social studies and language arts is paramount. EVERY decision they make should be about how this affects the students as they master the content in math, science, social studies and language arts. Instead mamy members of the BOE are busy protecting special programs and schools that serve the few, ensuring programs that employ their friends and family remaining in place, and figuring out how to hang on to their power.

  20. Please name the “many.” Would that also include giving a $50,000 annual raise to part-timer Ron Ramsey?

  21. But, you don’t know for sure if Atkinson has a family or church connection to DCSS or not, do you? Which Guillorys are gone? Which are demoted? Do you have publishable documentation?

  22. Matt says:

    Globally the high paying jobs will be those in the hard sciences and those with technical skills – true. (Medical field, engineering, etc.) But, there is a difference between saying that the work world will be dominated by those types of positions(indicating most available jobs) and saying those are the highly paid positions. One statement is correct, the other is not. It is a matter of public record that the majority of new U.S. jobs are in the service industry. And, although it is a “global economy” it is not a true “global job market” in the sense of worker mobility. A global economy instead has out-sourced engineering and computer programming to areas that have equal (or better) science and technical training COMBINED with lower pay.

  23. And most of the Clew Crew still works for the system.

  24. dekalbite2 says:

    @ Tit for Tat
    “I wonder how much $ the other metro districts spend on legal…just saying”

    Gwinnett spent $2,530,000+ for around 160,000 students while DeKalb spent $5,335,858 for around 95,000 students in 2011 (latest expenditure file posted on the Open Georgia website).

    Below are DeKalb’s legal fees + we have an in house attorney.

    Legal fees – $5,335,858
    ALEXANDER & ASSOCIATES $151,861
    ALEXANDER & ASSOCIATES $1,095,796
    $1,247,657

    SUTHERLAND ASBILL BRENNAN LLP $509,825
    SUTHERLAND ASBILL BRENNAN LLP $1,869,887
    $2,379,712

    KING & SPALDING $348,183
    KING & SPALDING $1,360,306
    $1,708,489

  25. Yes, but . . . says:

    A couple points:
    1. Yes, we’d all like to be at the top of the comparative CRCT score list but it’s important to remember that CRCT is NOT scientifically valid. Put simply, there are too many variables. We can’t compare how our system teaches our population to how different systems teach different populations on a 1:1 basis. It’s like comparing the NY Yankees management to the Minnesota Twins management without accounting for the different in the players. This leads to point
    2. We do indeed have different demographics than most other counties. We don’t have a lot of refugees but even a relatively small number of kids illiterate in their native language never mind English can in fact bring down an overall average. And race has nothing to do with academics, but culture does, and it may be that parts of our county’s population, just as parts of some rural counties’ populations put comparatively less emphasis on education than some of the counties to which we are comparing.
    None of which excuses the poor scores, but I do think we need to take CRCT scores as a comparative measure with a grain of salt

  26. Dekalbite2 says:

    @Yes,but
    Well, the 4th grade CRCT asks students to multiply with double digits, divide with remainder and add and subtract. It also asks them to know the main idea of a story and the sequence of events. It is VERY basic skills. When so many of your students do not know these basic skills, there is indeed a problem – IMHO. I prefer the ITBS for longitudinal information (I.e. where a student is at on a continuum of skills) however, the CRCT gives us a good measure if the student knows the most basic skills for that grade level.

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  28. Douglas says:

    You forgot one other variable–the student. You have to want to learn.

  29. Douglas says:

    You need to feel just as sorry for the 6th grade teacher that gets students that have NEVER passed the CRCT but was placed in the next grade level.

  30. Douglas says:

    Yes, but … if you visited the other school systems-you would find that basically they all have the same students that Dekalb has–we cannot claim to be the most diverse because we are not.

  31. I smell a snake... says:

    I was reviewing the state salary scale with my significant other. I realized that I no longer receive a local supplement from DeKalb. I am being furloughed (6)six days. What happens to the money, seeing that all of my salary comes from the state? Does DeKalb keep it or send it back to the state? I know this sounds dumb, but if they keep the money, is that legal?

  32. I smell a snake... says:

    I was reviewing the salary scale for the state. It seems that I no longer receive a local supplement from DeKalb. So what happens to my 6 days worth of furlough money? Is DeKalb required to give it back to the state, or do they keep it to help pay the salaries of their mighty fine administrators.

  33. Hmmm … this is a very interesting comment. Since there is little hope that anyone at DCSS who might know would reply honestly, we will pose your question, without identifying you in any way, to the Georgia Department of Education. Stay tuned.

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